Roadmap To A Sustainable ADR Divorce Coaching Practice

Wondering if a sustainable divorce coaching practice is really possible—or how to build one without burning out or getting lost in theory? We sit down with DCA-certified coach Lyerly Spongberg to unpack the exact steps she took to turn rigorous ADR training, mentor feedback, and a growth mindset into steady client results and a business with clear momentum.

We start with the decision point: moving from life coaching to a dispute resolution lens that gives clients structure, calms chaos, and prepares them for mediation and attorney meetings. Lyerly shares how she internalized DCA frameworks, leaned into mentor coaching, and used tools like strategic empathy, EAR statements, BIF responses, and nonviolent communication to help clients communicate clearly and avoid escalation. A memorable client story shows how planning the divorce conversation—when, where, and how—can transform years of hesitation into a grounded, empowered step forward.

Then we zoom out to the practice model. Lyerly explains the business choices that created traction: SMART goals, consistent educational content, intentional networking, and advanced training in high conflict, co-parenting, and trauma-informed coercive control. We talk about pre-mediation coaching as a game-changer for better outcomes, collaboration with legal and mediation professionals, and how these learnable skills carry into co-parenting and future relationships. Finally, we explore scalable offerings—downloadable guides, professional talks, local hubs, and group coaching—that meet clients where they are and build sustainable visibility.

If you’re building or refining a divorce coaching practice, you’ll leave with a roadmap you can use: anchor your work in ADR, practice until the tools become second nature, design services that fit your strengths, and measure success by calmer conversations and healthier outcomes for families. Subscribe, share with a colleague who needs this, and leave a review with the one ADR tool you want to master next.

About Lyerly:
Lyerly Spongberg is a DCA Certified ADR Divorce Coach, Certified DCA Pre-Mediation Coach, Co-Parenting Specialist, and Trauma-Informed Coercive Control Coach. She works nationally with clients navigating divorce to calm chaos, reduce overwhelm, and improve outcomes—ultimately saving them time, money, and emotional energy throughout the process.

In addition to her professional training, Lyerly brings a unique depth of lived experience. After navigating her own high-conflict divorce in her 30s, she later married a widower with four children—and for nearly two decades has raised a blended family of six.

Through her coaching practice, Step Up With Lyerly, she supports clients at every stage of the divorce process—from early decision-making through post-divorce restructuring—with a focus on clarity, stability, and child-centered strategies. Lyerly lives in CT with her husband and their two rescue dogs, Ruby and Daisy.

Where to connect with Lyerly:
Website - https://stepupwithlyerly.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/stepup_withlyerly
Email: lyerly@ste

Learn more about DCA® or  any of the classes or events mentioned in this episode at the links below:

Website: www.divorcecoachesacademy.com
Instagram: @divorcecoachesacademy
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Email: DCA@divorcecoachesacademy.com

Transcript

Setting The Big Question

SPEAKER_00 1:19

Welcome back to Divorce Coaches Academy Podcast. I am Tracy, and today's episode is intentionally engineered to answer one of the most common questions we hear from prospective students and professionals considering entering the field of divorce coaching. Is it really possible to build a successful, sustainable divorce coaching practice? And if so, what does that journey actually look like? So the short answer is yes. And the longer, more strategic answer is yes, when you build with the right training, the right frameworks, the right mindset, and the right dispute resolution orientation. And today's conversation is a living case study of exactly that. I am thrilled to welcome Lyarley Spongberg, a DCA certified ADR divorce coach, certified DCA pre-mediation coach, co-parenting specialist, and trauma-informed coercive control coach. Ah, that's a lot, Lyar Lee. It is Lyarly has built a practice that exemplifies what's possible when preparation and execution align. And for anyone listening who is wondering whether they can build a viable business in this space, her journey is going to be a powerful roadmap. Lyar Lee works with clients nationally to stabilize the divorce experience, reducing chaos, minimizing emotional overwhelm, and ultimately creating better outcomes that save families, ding ding, ding, time, money, and unnecessary conflict and distress. Beyond her exceptional training, she brings profound lived experience, navigating a high conflict divorce in her 30s and later stepping into step family life with four children and an 18-year chapter full of complexity, learning, and growth. Through her divorce coaching practice, Step Up with Larely, she supports clients at every stage of divorce with clarity, stability, and a child-centered strategy. She lives in Connecticut with her husband, all and my favorite two rescue dogs, Ruby and Daisy. And today we're going to walk through how she built this practice, how she leads it, and how she's delivering meaningful client impact so that you, our listeners, can see in real terms what a successful ADR-aligned divorce coaching career actually looks like. Welcome, Lyarley. It's such an honor to be here, Tracy. I really am appreciative of this opportunity. Aw thank you. Well, I'm so glad for you to take some time out and chat with us over here at the podcast at DCA. So I'd love to begin at the moment you chose to enter the DCA ADR divorce coach training, right? We often see individuals arrive at our training with sort of a specific question, challenge, or gap they're trying to close. So I'm going to kind of toss this back to you. When you first enrolled in the DCA certification training, what challenge or gap were you trying to address? And how did that experience shift your trajectory?

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Uh it's it's a great question. And I love the story behind it. Um, I was uh working as a life coach already when I enrolled, and I was trying to figure out where my niche was and what I wanted to focus on. And I wanted to find that sweet spot between what I love, what I'm good at, and what poop people really needed in the world, and where my experience, my life experience was really valuable. Um, many of the clients at the time I had were going through divorce in different stages of it. So there was this sort of natural connection I had already to people in various processes or various stages, I should say, of the process. And when I found DCA after like digging around on the internet about once I realized divorce coaching was really a career, I dug around the internet and found your website and just was intrigued. I loved the idea of the training. I really aligned with what I wanted to be as a coach. I was intimidated, and um, but I was really excited. And then you and I had a call in the application process, and it just felt aligned with who I wanted to be and where I wanted to go. So yeah, I was really excited.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Yeah. So so you were practicing as uh a life coach. How do you see the the so you were trying to fill in uh the needs of your clients that you were already seeing in divorce or some of your clients in divorce? What did that look like for you? What what did you feel like you were missing or wanted to add from your life coaching background into diving more into the divorce coaching process?

From Lived Experience To Structured Frameworks

SPEAKER_01 6:13

I think what I saw is that my my life my life experience was one thing. So what I what I'd been through and experienced gave me a perspective and I think some empathy for what it is people were going through. But what I was searching for was really a process. I've always been a very organized, like I like to follow steps. And I think and I think going through the frameworks and going through all the training at DCA, I felt that I could create my own process and I had some real uh structure to base these, um, you know, how how is coaching? And that was how I was gonna help these clients really understand. And there was so much, so much I learned about about divorce, about the process of divorce, the, you know, obviously not the the legal ease of it, you know, just sort of what these people are gonna expect. Because I think that's the biggest challenge is having, you know, like you say, every snow, every divorce like a snowflake, they're all different, but they all have to go through the same stages.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah. Yeah. And and most individuals enter in complete lack of understanding and fear as to what the hell they're gonna be endeavoring on, right? So yeah. So I think this story, your story sort of reflects something we see time and time again, right? When when individuals, coaches step into this work with intention, the training becomes not just a skill build, but sort of a strategic pivot, right? You are sort of already in this process and and and pivoting towards expanding how you think, operate, and engage uh with clients. So I love that. If we can sort of build upon that, right, because one of the most compelling aspects uh of your growth has been the way sort of you translated this curriculum, if you will, or training into real world confidence, right? And I think there are individuals who have these moments, right? Every every cohort that we do, there's a concept lance, right? A mentorship conversation reframes something, or or a case study, you know, unlocks this sort of new level of capability. Were there any uh early inflection points in your training or mentorship that helped you sort of convert the curriculum into sort of this real world confidence with clients, right? Moving into this next step.

Mentor Coaching As The Turning Point

SPEAKER_01 8:39

I think so. I think I think exactly what you said, like the the frameworks. I remember the first 10 weeks of training and I was trying to nail down all these frameworks. What has resolved me and what is impact? I had stickies everywhere, and I was trying to just, I was trying to really internalize all that. So I so I really understood it and I could start building that into you know the coaching I was already doing. You know, for me, the real, the real turning point was mentor coaching. I had done I had done mentor coaching and life life coach training, but it wasn't as deep. DCA took it to a new level with recordings and real-time feedback on right in the moment when you're when you're speaking, you can go back and really study it. And I found that unbelievably invaluable. I mean, hard. And and vulnerable, yeah. Vulnerable, yeah, all the things. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of like imposter syndrome and um to overcome, but it built such confidence. You know, you have to get scared. You have to get scared to get to get better, and you have to be willing to sit in that uncomfortable space. So that that was huge. It really did push me out of my comfort zone. And then during mentor coaching, I was coaching a woman who was was have about to have a divorce conversation, who was moving into this process. And simultaneously doing that during mentor coaching really was a shift for me because I saw in real time how embracing these concepts and flow and and doing these things really worked and how it helped me help her. So that's that was sort of my aha moment.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Oh, yeah, I love that aha moment. And I think what is so exciting to be able to hear is how sort of you were able to operationalize while working with this client, while being in mentor coaching and then taking these applications and frameworks, and then being in that learning laboratory, if you will, with the feedback, and then being able to take those skills and immediately translate it to some of the work that you were doing with uh with an actual client and see the success, see that the frameworks do work, that this process does work in terms of creating um growth, if you will, for your clients and moving them from where they were in in having that conversation. And I think that really also speaks to honestly your maturity in the field, right? Your ability to be able to see these frameworks, to understand the concepts, but recognize that it's a whole other thing to operationalize them, to take them and being able to really capitalize that in the mentor coaching program. So let's see if we can sort of transition now to the business side of your evolution, because building a divorce coaching practice is not just about mastering the work. It's part of it. It's a it's a huge component, but I think it also is involved in designing an infrastructure, right? That says supports sustainability, scalability, alignment with your strengths, um, and and requires a whole other skill set, right? It's one thing to to learn to be very good at what we do as dispute resolution specialists. It's another thing to to build a practice, right? To to be it, right? So as you've been building your practice, right? And you said you were you already in that process when you were doing your live coaching, but what strategic decisions or business structures do you think has generated the most traction for you in in in expanding the work that you're doing?

Operationalizing Skills With Real Clients

SPEAKER_01 12:22

I I think I'm I'm lucky in a couple front, well, in a new numerous ways. One, I already had a website for coaching. So I'd already, I'd already built that. I've been an entrepreneur and freelance entrepreneur and design, graphic design. I've had my own baby blanket company for over 30 years. So I have I have I have built a business before. So I've had to do, and I did all my own PR. So I've had to reach out and and do all these things before. So that felt very comfortable to me. Um, so my goal really was to be a divorce coach, to, to focus on what that was being being that, and embodying that. So I feel like I was lucky that I had the structure and I do the design and all that. Um, so I for me, this starting point was setting all these goals for myself. And that was, you know, I love, I know this is a favorite quote of yours, but Nelson Mandela, I never lose, I either win or I learn. So I really tried to embrace that. And and strategically, uh, I committed to ongoing education with people I really respected. I did the premediation training, you know, with you, which I hugely impactful for for how I'm coaching. And then I did advanced high conflict training to add to that skill set. And I did co-parenting training with Christina McGee and Susan Guthrie. And then I did the coercive control and trauma training with Christine Cochiola. So I feel like I really got this expert input. So that was really helpful, committing to learning. Um, I was very intentional about networking, which can be uncomfortable. Yeah, but but reaching out on LinkedIn where I hadn't before and having conversations, you know, some some meaningful, some not, but but then I feel comfortable referring experts to my clients, which I think is hugely important for us is to have that network to be able to confidently um you know support our clients. So I also set SMART goals weekly, monthly, annually, um committed to regular educational content on my Instagram, which has I think been great. I joined Fresh Starts Registry. I don't know if you're familiar with Olivia Powell's organization, which has been great. Um, what else have I done? Our consult calls, your consult calls, which I find brings so much clarity and an opportunity to share and hear and learn. And so much of business and coaching feedback I've taken and tried to integrate. So I really appreciate that opportunity to do that with you guys every month.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Yeah. So the the theme I'm hearing is this growth mindset that is really grounded in your continuing education and development and and and specializing in certain areas, building upon the foundational training that you already had, um, and being being intentional in that that process, um, which you said setting weekly goals, right? This is this is something that I think doesn't magically happen, right? It takes intention, it takes work. And even with the the background that you had and already being an entrepreneur entrepreneurial spirit, sort of translating that into this work and committing to to what you are doing. I I I think it's amazing. So it is possible, right? You're here to sit there and yes, it's possible.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

And you have to be, yeah, and you have to be willing to have you have to be willing to be uncomfortable. You have to be willing to feel like you don't know what you don't, you're like you don't know. And but you don't learn until you have to say it a million times. You don't get your elevator pitched down until you've said it a bunch of times. And then it comes, it comes easily, and you get more, you build your confidence builds by doing, not by thinking about building it.

Building The Business Engine

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, and and I'm hearing some uh you're doing sort of a hybrid, right? You're doing some education through your Insta account while also looking at some networks to be able to share information while building a professional network of individuals that you not only uh refer out, but hopefully are are getting some cross exposure for yourself. Wonderful. All right. So again, let's let's jump back into the client impact place, right? So I find it powerful uh to ground story in real life client experiences because that's where people can sort of say, uh, this work becomes sort of visceral, if you will, right? And and there's usually a moment, sometimes small, sometimes profound, uh, that a divorce coach sits back and goes, This is why I do this work, right? Or our why. And so many of us who come into this practice have such beautiful whys. But I was wondering if you can share sort of a client story or a milestone that reaffirmed your decision to really be grounded stepping into your divorce coaching practice.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I do. I feel there's so many moments that reaffirm, like you said, you know, big and small, sometimes a text message from a client or, you know, whatever that is. Uh, I've been working with a client recently, and she came to me in our consult call and had been sitting with wanting to get a divorce for many years and just really being paralyzed with how and self-doubt and concern about her teenage daughter. And she wanted so badly to do this, and she felt like she'd walked up to the door and turned around and walked back for years. So in our first session, we worked through how to have the divorce conversation and we worked on the what to say, when, where to have it. We practiced in session where reality tested different things, and she she got really confident and she conf, she um committed to having this conversation within two weeks before we met again. Two days later, I got a text message and she said, I can I can't take it anymore in this limbo. I'm ready. I'm in a cafe, I'm writing this letter, I'm gonna send you it, the draft. I'm having this conversation this afternoon. We did that. And then later that day, I got a text message and it said, I did it. It went better than I imagined. I feel empowered. Everything that comes next will be still be hard, but now it feels doable. I didn't abandon myself and I couldn't have done it without you. Oh. So that just, you know, that that to have that kind of impact by incorporating all this work and all these skills. And I think I've told you I'm I've love the pre-mediation coaching because I think it's just it gives someone a blueprint or a roadmap where they feel where they're spinning in circles, they actually have like a it might not be a straight line, but it's a line. It's yeah, it's a path for sure. And and she she was so grateful and as moving forward. So that's really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Yeah, I I I love that story, right? She felt empowered, it went better than what she thought. And I I I love coaching around the the divorce acknowledgement. It's probably one of my most favorite things and and is something that takes clients lots of time sometimes, right? To really get clarity on that in terms of being aligned with their interests and and trying to minimize some of the uncertainty as they're getting prepared. You know, we talk a lot about those three stages of stay well, you know, uh um uh get organized and and provide a plan moving forward and supporting clients and having that acknowledgement conversation is is such a significant component of that. I love that story.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

And you know what too, Tracy, we did before we before the beginning of that session, we did the best self-exercise, which which was really great because you know, that reminder as to who you can be when you're not in her words, abandoning yourself or or you know, you're actually know that you have this power inside of you and and you can draw on that. So that's that was a great piece of that as well.

Education, Networking, And SMART Goals

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Yeah, you know, that uh it kind of makes me go back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs when we talk about sort of that self-actualized state of being. And and for clients in in an unhappy or an unwell or or a marriage that is ending or or unexpectedly is ending due to information, whatever it is, right, there's this space of uncertainty and fear and threat. And it's very difficult to sort of keep focused on that state of self-actualization or alignment with who we are, our our our values, our our interests. And I think the when we're able to help clients in that exploration, even if it's not right now, their reality, not right now, to be able to see what does that look like for me moving forward, um, is is crucial. To support this, the steps that we're going to take because our divorce, in essence, is hard, right? Our clients can do hard things. I've never had anybody go through divorce and say, hey, that was super simple.

unknown 21:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Even if they intentionally want to make it simple, it's still complex because of all this, uh, right? The state rules and process. I was, I was just speaking with somebody, you know, uh from Virginia on this whole frustration thing of meeting the separation requirements to move forward with the divorce. It's complex. There's a lot of stuff that that does make it difficult.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

So yeah, and it can derail the progress that you're making. You know, so I feel I feel like the training that you provide, the DCA provides with this ADR training is that you really can sympathetically challenge their thinking and be and base it on, you know, different assessments. What are what are your values? And and sometimes they they need that more than anything, and no one else is gonna do that for them. No one else is gonna say You're right.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

There's no one. Why do you think that? There's no one in this space who has these conversations, and that is why it is so important uh in the role that we do as divorce coaches. Okay, so let's let's flip back to, of course, one of my favorite uh topics of conversation, right? The this differentiating factor that DCA divorce coaches do in alignment with dispute resolution principles. We uphold the American Bar Association's definition of divorce coaching as a form of dispute resolution. And and with all of your work and including the pre-mediation uh coaching work, you have absolutely internalized this idea of divorce coaching and in your practice as a form of dispute resolution, sort of moving away from that life coaching model, right? Where ADR is is truly designed to prepare clients for that decision making, engagement, process stability to minimize uh conflict when when we know that conflict is inevitable, but really supporting them and not moving to that next level of adversarial processes or costly, both not only indirect costs, but the emotional cost, productivity costs, continuity costs at the expense of that family. So, how has approaching your work through this dispute resolution lens shaped the way you support clients and the way you operate your practice?

Client Breakthrough: The Divorce Conversation

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Well, I think first of all, I didn't I didn't know anything about ADR when I started the training. And I would say it's impacted every aspect of my life personally and professionally. Just just really having these tools. I use them all the time in my family. I mean, it's I I find them incredibly effective per you know perceptually and in real life. So um, and it is for sure what sets you know DCA apart from other programs. It's given me structure and process, which I've developed and made my own. You know, I sort of have my own premediation checklist of when we're gonna do assessments and where whether this falls in and the steps we need to take. So I love that it's given me confidence. Um, I teach tools strategic empathy all the time, ear statements, BIF statements. I've had clients go from feeling completely paralyzed to confidently initiating conversations they avoided for years because they feel like they have a tool and they're not flailing. So I think giving people, and they're very simple. It's not, it's not complicated, it's just learning them. Um, they're learnable. They're learnable. That's the thing. They're learnable. And when you implement them, things change. Like you really see effects. I mean, not of course, not all the time. It's not always gonna work. Yeah, but I think the real the real power comes from it keeps you calm, it keeps you centered. So when they so that as we know, one person can change the the level of the dynamic of the conflict. So having those those tools and seeing them work and uh you know, sending that text message that's very succinct and very focused changes the outcome of whatever that conversation is. Uh simple nonviolent communication skills, my favorite. I think this is your favorite too. Help me understand, instead of going, oh my God, what you know, WTF. Um, I I find that can change the just change the dynamic and keep someone centered in a way that uh it's just an amazing tool. That one question. I use it all the time. And I use it with my clients. I try to model, um, I model ADR practices in my coaching. So so the more you do it, the more natural it becomes. And I think it's you know, it's in completely integral to how I coach and what I coach.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Yeah, I love that. And and and I think it is such an important distinction, right? When when we are able to lead as divorce coaches with a dispute resolution mindset, it certainly shifts the story, right? It elevates client capability through our own modeling efforts and creating opportunities to develop skills. I say this time and time again. We are at a disadvantage because we were not taught how to effectively and efficiently engage in conflict. And conflict is not inherently bad, right? And it's the same in divorce, right? Conflict is inevitable in divorce, but it doesn't need to be horrible. But it requires skills to be able to engage, right? We are not taught how to do this. So, so coming at this with a dispute resolution lens and supporting clients to be able to develop those skills, it also I think helps significantly reduce friction with other professionals, right? How a client can effectively engage in the legal system with their divorce attorneys that's also brought with lots of conflict uh and different perceptions and expectations. And as you were talking about the pre-mediation process, of course, right, improving people's ability to be successful in mediation. Mediation is this amazing dispute resolution process. But if clients are not prepared to go into that, it's not going to be effective. And it really starts on an individual level before clients can show up for these other dispute resolution lenses. So it sounds to me like your practice is an absolute strong example of this ecosystem, if you will, of a DR focus.

Best Self Work And Stability Tools

SPEAKER_01 27:54

I I mean I hope so. And I love that it's given it's given me so the ability to structure things and and see and and live them. And and also these are skills that they not only take through mediation or these conversations, but into co-parenting and into you know these other relationships. So it's not just to get through divorce, which is Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah, and and we talk about this also engage in future relationships, right? Right. To not be that growing addition to the statistics that grow greater for the rate of divorce for a second marriage or a third marriage, right? Doing it differently in in so many aspects of one's life, whether that is a parent or or a partner or a a co-worker. So I think the skills are translatable all over the place, which sitting in what is it, distress tolerance, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:42

That's a big one. I mean, and it's so invaluable for everything. We're all gonna get pissed off.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Yeah. I I work on my distress all the time, Lyra. You could just ask the people around me. All right. So before we wrap, I just want to bring our listeners into sort of some forward trajectory, right? Because one of the most compelling uh parts of your story, uh, as you were doing this, that it is possible, but it creates it, it's about a plan. It's about what you're doing. And and your growth roadmap, I think it is Ben, you spoke a little bit about it, how you've added these additional skills, networking, right? So, so what are you doing now? What what if you were to to describe this for other people who are thinking about doing this and looking at this growth roadmap, what is what does that look like for you and and what do you see in continuing moving forward for yourself?

ADR Mindset As A Differentiator

SPEAKER_01 29:43

A few things I'm working on right now. I've I'm um creating meaningful educational content to download from my website, you know, as lead magnets. So really, but but really valuable things, how to have a divorce conversation, 10 steps to clarity, trying to make very valuable information, put it out there and brand it. I'm really excited about an upcoming presentation I'll be giving on the benefits of pre-mediation coaching to the New York State Council on Divorce Mediation. So I I was asked to do that by reaching out to a network and someone saying, This is great, more people need to know about this. So I'm really excited about that. Because I, as you we often talk about, the biggest hurdle we have as divorce coaches is educating people and professionals about what how how important we are, how uh part of the team we need to be, and how we support their their work as well as the clients. So not a threat, an addition. Not a threat, an addition, a compliment, a compliment, compliment. Yeah, and I also recently joined Vesta. So I'm gonna be starting a Connecticut Hub, which is exciting. So there's yeah, and I that's gonna put stretch my comfort zone of having to do live webinars, which is something I haven't done. So I'm excited about that challenge. It's gonna be a little you know a little tricky for me. And I'd like to launch a monthly group coaching offering, sort of based on the DCA consult calls for some of my divorced clients so they can support one another and you know, at different stages go back and have conversations that are meaningful for them. And above all, I'm gonna keep learning. Hopefully, take some more DCA classes.

Learnable Tools: EARS, BIF, NVC

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Awesome. So what I'm hearing and what I love hearing is scalability, right? Looking at these different sorts of offshoots of capturing clients, both providing downloadable education information that people can then grab as lead magnets and then say, oh, I really see like this is great information, but I I need more, I need additional support. Uh uh building out a new chapter of ESA that's really exciting in Connecticut and uh continuing to build in this work both in support groups and other venues where people can capture you. And it it's one of the things that I love so much when we define ourselves as dispute resolution specialists. As a dispute resolution specialist, I provide both mediation services for families as well as for divorce coaching services. But even then within each one of those, I break out all the additional services I do within each one of those. And in divorce coaching, right? Creating opportunities for education, creating opportunities for group support, creating opportunities for community. So it it's all scalability and takes work, but I I love all of your initiative behind that. So, Lyarly, I want to thank you so much for bringing your insights, your authenticity, and your leadership to this conversation. Your journey is certainly a powerful demonstration of what is possible for emerging and established divorce coaches who are willing to step into this work with courage, discipline, and yes, I said discipline, and a dispute resolution mindset. So your practice step up with Lyarly is already driving meaningful impact for families. And I know your trajectory will continue to influence those in the field in all the right ways. And for everybody listening, you can learn more about how to contact Lyarly or see the work that Lyarly is doing in the show notes. I will make sure all of your contact information is there, Larely. And for those of you listening who are wondering, could I build a practice like this? Or how do I elevate the way I support clients? I just want to share with you there are two ways that I can put on your radar first. Our next US and Canada DCAADR divorce coach certification launches in January 11th. Our Arabian Golf Cohort launches in January 18th. And our Australian and New Zealand groups are going to be launching in February. All of these trainings are immersive, practice focused, designed for professionals who want to enter the field with a strong dispute resolution foundation and a clear roadmap for building a sustainable coaching practice. And if you're ready to step into this work with confidence and competence, this is where your journey begins. You can check out all of our offerings at DCA. Well, you can reach me by uh email at DCADivorcecoachesacademy.com or just come visit our website at divorcecoachesacademy.com. Um, and second, if you're already a certified divorce coach, right, through another program or uh a very small certified program online and you're looking to expand your capabilities to strengthen your DR skill set and differentiate you in your practice, we offer Elevate, which is sort of a streamlined dual certification track that integrates uh the DCAA DR methodology. And it is built for certified divorce coaches who want to move from sort of that insight into advanced behavior-based DR-aligned work. So wherever you are in your professional arc, there is a pathway forward at DCA that can equip you to support families more effectively and build a practice that is more meaningful and sustainable. Lyra Lee, any last words for our listeners?

SPEAKER_01 35:32

I can't recommend your training enough. And I am so excited and thrilled to be part of such a generous and supportive community. And I know you always say when one of us succeeds, we all succeed. So you you embody that the organization you've created embodies that. And uh I can't tell you how appreciative I am of all of all that you do.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Uh well, we're appreciative of you. I did not pay Lyra Lee to say that for all you listen after. She did it. Anyways, yeah, when one succeeds, we all succeed. And our role in the professional commitment of the work that we do in this field is to continue to educate and to advocate. And I want to thank you, Lyra Lee, for being part of that. And I want to thank you as always for joining us at Divorce Coaches Academy podcast. Until next time.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Thanks, Tracy.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Thank you.